Nuetech Tubliss

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  1. Andy Winters

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    I'll start this thread to discuss Tubliss tips and tricks as well as tire choice and pressure preference.

    I have been running a Vee Rubber GNCC rear with 0-3lbs with almost as good traction as a trials tire.

    Tonight I'm experimenting with a Dunlop MX51 on the front with 11lbs since it is such a soft tire. I did not like this tire with a tube, however it might be different with the Tubliss since it will stiffen the sidewalls some..we shall see.

    also for lube I've been using liquid shout as I can get a huge bottle at the grocery store for $4, vs $10 for small bottle of Armour All.
     
  2. Andy Winters

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    additionally I've heard of guys using slime on all surfaces applied with a paint brush.
     
  3. Hurricane

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    My friend has the tubliss system in his ktm 300 and it has become quite a pain. Seems like just about everytime we ride rocky terrain he gets a flat. We then have to go back to the truck so he can plug the tire and put more air in. Andy have you had any issues with these?
     
  4. Andy Winters

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    the Tubliss system is a little finiky when it comes to setup. you have to follow the installation and removal instructions to the "T" or you are setting yourself up for failure. there are also tricks to setting them up correctly. some use armour all, others use slime, but it is important to start with a new tire, not an almost new tire that was previously mounted with a conventional rim lock.....

    if you plan to run the outer chamber with normal pressure (I run mine @ 2-4psi in the rear so I'm not worried about flats) you will need to carry a plug kit so that a puncture can be repaired on the trail. For me the advantage of Tubliss is the ability to run extremely low pressures with knobby tires to get trials tire like traction.

    although last week I was experimenting with a Dunlop mx51 front I had laying around. with a tube I never liked this tire. It would rolll and squirm all over and it was unpredictable. Tubliss really helped this soft carcass tire as the 360 degree bead lock significantly stiffens the side wall and made the mx51 pretty decent at 12psi. But now that I think of it, I should bring a plug kit if I'm going to run it with normal pressure.

    if you do not follow directions and poorly prep the inner tube, and liner you will be setting yourself up for problems. you can get away with a sloppy install on a tube...not so much with tubliss! Like anything else, once you learn the tricks it's easy and reliable.
     
  5. Layton

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    I've been running the Tubliss system for several years now with excellent results.

    Hurricane, why does your friend even worry about a flat?? I've ridden hundreds of miles with flats using the Tubliss system with zero problems

    To me that's one of the benefits.

    But a plug kit and a pump only takes a few minutes to get going again if it must be fixed.

    Good luck. :)


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    I'm a bib mousse guy. I've even had the TuBliss guy offer to let me demo a set and I passed. Just don't see the logic of doubling your chances for air loss.
     
  7. Andy Winters

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    If you are a racer, then the only 100% bullet proof flat insurance is a bib, however for the recreational rider they are a PIA, you have to take them out and grease them or they break down, they are a bitch to install and have a somewhat "dead" feeling to them.

    For me the advantages of Tubliss are the ability to run really low pressures in the rear without the risk of pinch flatting. I'm experimenting with the front but bought the system primarily to use on the rear.
     
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    Quite frankly, it's easier to change a tire with a bib mousse than any tire requiring air pressure..
    I don't race much anymore. I just don't like flat tires.
    As far as the "dead" description goes, I once had a very experienced off-road racer describe it a little differently. You may have heard of him. Jeff Fredette said to me once, "Imagine throwing a pressurized rubber ball at an odd shaped rock. You don't know what direction it's going to go. Throw a nerf ball at the same rock and the deflection will be much less." If that's "dead", that's a good thing.


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  9. Andy Winters

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    If Jeff says so, then it only applies to KDX's.....lol I think both have advantages, and once you knew the tricks to each system they are both not that bad to install. I do like the tubliss system very much for the way it allows me to run very low pressures in a rear knobby tire, sometimes almost 0 psi, so I guess there is a somewhat dead feeling to that also. I would have to agree that the higher the pressure is in a tube type tire the more the deflection...
     
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    I use the TuBliss 2 system and just ordered more for other bikes,love them........no issues. They can make a tire work way better than it does with a tube!
     
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    bringing an old thread back to life.

    I only trail ride, and I've had good luck with Tubliss and Ultra Heavy Duty tubes. Tubliss in the rear allows you to run really low pressures that would not be possible with tubes. In the front I still run normal tube pressure.

    maybe it's me, and I've never tried a mousse since I don't race. but, the tubliss system makes a tire feel different than a tube for sure. I know there is still the "bounce" characteristic of air pressure, but the 360 degree rim lock makes the side wall feel different (stiffer)...not saying this a good or bad thing, just different.

    A friend of mine just ordered the Nitro Mousse and I'm awaiting his report.

    Now I don't race, so why would I want the hassle of a mousse? well, I'm trying to shed some the weight I carry in gear. I'm sick of carrying a tube/pump/tire tools when running tubes, and even with Tubliss you still need to carry plug tools/plugs and a pump and if for some reason the inner bladder fails you can't even bum a tube froma buddy since you don't have a rim lock to hold the tire. Also with Tubliss, you have to check the inner bladder pressure every ride...I know..no big deal, but just one less thing to worry about.

    I've heard the the Nitro Mousse doesn't require as much maintenance as a conventional mousse? and has more "bounce" to reduce that dead feel. one thing I'm not sure about is running one in a trials tire since I like the feel of 10 psi in the Dunlop D803, and if I choose to run one of the hybrids on the rear I would usually be at ~5psi.

    Don't know how the Nitro Mousse feels as far as psi goes? Can anyone offer any input??
     
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    My buddy Kevin got the Nitro Mousse's yesterday, Here is a video of him mounting them up..Shinko cheater 110 in the rear, mousse fitment looks a little loose, but may work good for our local conditions?

     
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    What mousse lube did he use? Silicone is best especially in the wet, but you never get enough from what I've seen and its expensive in the little tubes. You can get 1lb cans from Mcmaster for $16. Its sold as silicone dielectric compound, but its the same pure silicone stuff. I use it for Tubliss installs too.
     
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    I would bet he used what came with it. He's a Tubliss guy trying out the Nitro Mousse.

    I've also hear that this stuff works well:
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    My mistake, it was from Amazon. I don't see the can I have but here is the cartridge that will be even better as the stuff is thick and heavy. Get a gun just for this and it will be easy to spread around on the mousse. I coat the inner Tubliss bladders, inner rim surface, liner seal edges, and tire beads. Use gloves its thick and tough to wash off.

    https://www.amazon.com/Jet-Lube-735...6744&sr=8-2&keywords=jet+lube+silicone+grease
     
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    thanks for the link! I'll try this next time over armor all with the Tubliss system, armor all works good, but over spray is very messy!
     
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    What tire changer rig is that one? Looks like its capable of car/mower tires??
     
  18. Admin

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    not mine, but I asked him:
    NoMar professional model with the rim for a changing base
     
  19. Admin

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    So far, his report on the nitro mousse (once he got the correct size for the tire) is that it is too "lively" and he was deflecting a lot more than with the Tubliss system. I wonder if he just got used to the Tubliss feel, which I thought always had a more dead feel than a tube, not necessarily bad, just a different feel that I would describe as "less lively"
     
  20. GMP

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    Tubliss feels unique because the tire is clamped hard to the rim over 360 deg. at any pressure. It increases stability even soft sidewall tires. Hard to compare to a mousse because you never really know what the equ mousse pressure really is and its always dropping as the mousse degrades. The other thing is suspension may have to be tuned a bit different, as the mousse is heavier with more inertia. No experience, but I have heard this from others and it makes sense to me.
     

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