2018 GasGas GP Model

Discussion in 'Gas Gas' started by Moto7man, Nov 9, 2017.

  1. Moto7man

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    Wonder what the price point will be?
     
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    probably on par with "6-days" or "Race" versions...
     
  4. GMP

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    The standard GG at $9200 is priced more than the Beta race model, this is going to be an expensive bike. FWIW, I've had coated lower fork tubes and couldn't tell the difference from the same uncoated fork. I'd bet seals and alignment with an MP tool make more of a difference. Perhaps better riders can. That $700 + Tclamp is really nice, the split pinch clamp is a very good idea to allow more flex and less distortion of the upper where the bushing passes through, more than bling.
     
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    The 300RR didn't get the greatest review in the latest issue of Dirtrider. They basically called a trail bike with an under powered motor (by 300cc standards), stiff fork and dead shock. Maybe they are not getting enough advertising $$$ to give a better review?? I like how they relocated the starter underneath the bike and made 10lbs lighter.
     
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    Beta has always had the starter underneath the motor since they started building the 2 strokes in 2013. I just got my Dirt Rider yesterday and skimmed the article. Being a Beta owner; of course I will disagree with their findings, but since most of these editors or writers that ride are on Orange bikes they would not know what to change to make the bike better out of the crate. Whereas with the Orange bikes since they spend so much time on them they most likely tweek them a bit. At least that is my thought process.
     
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    The dirtrider article made it sound like they moved the starter underneath for mass centralization. Sorry my bad I guess I misunderstood. How do you feel the 300 motor compares to the ktm/husky or gas gas 300 in HP and torque? Believe me I'm not loyal to orange, it was just the only 2 stroke with electric start I could afford at the time. I can not stand any KTM made before 2008, they will not turn!!
     
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    First I'll quantify that I am not a spring chicken - I have been riding since 1968 when I returned from the military at the ripe ole age of 26. I have ridden my riding friends KTM's from time to time, generally on single track that is fast and flowing so it's hard to compare and the fact that I don't ride them long enough to get comfortable with them. I have never ridden a GasGas and have only seen one of them on the trails. I was a long time rider of Yamaha 2 stroke 250's and raced them with good success even won a Canadian Cross Country championship in 2002 (in the Geritol class!), went to the Beta due to the low seat and the electric start. It works well for an old guy, love the fact that I can just let it grunt in the nasty uphills and race it at Oldtimer's MX with decent success. I don't think it would be fair to say my Beta is better than the KTM or GasGas, but it is good for ME!
     
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    I think they are all pretty good these days, Beta stepped into the ring in 2013 with a really good 2 stroke motor with low vibration and a working electric start! At that point they had KTM beat. In 2017 KTM upped their game with a working e-start and a counter balanced motor that is just about perfect in the vibration dept. Gas Gas has yet to prove itself, but they are definitely on the right path with KYB suspension out of the box! Time will tell how reliable the bikes are and what parts availability ends up like. Gas Gas had screwed the US market for so long it's going to take time for those memories to fade.
     
  10. Hurricane

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    The dirt rider article also complained about the excessive vibration that really got annoying on long rides. My 2009 electric start has been fine and was original until last night when upgraded the starter to the larger 410W version only because Rocky Mountain now sells them for $50 so I figured why not since I'm in there already and I'll keep the original motor for a spare. I do take it apart every year to clean and regrease and replace the gaskets though so I may just be lucky or maybe maintenance is the key to longevity of these starters. I ride with 4 people that have 2008 to 2010 e-start KTMs and 2 of them have starter problems and 2 of them don't, guess which ones don't maintain their bikes very well??
     
  11. GMP

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    DR and DB reviews have been worthless to us East Coast guys for years. Excessive vibration on a Beta? Seriously? The real reason for the existence of the counter balancer on the KTM is because the TPI system could not handle the normal 2stroke vibration without it. Its got nothing to do with making it more comfy by design, it they didn't need it for technical reasons it wouldn't be there.

    The GG motor is awesome and very reliable when built correctly. I've had a few over the years and built even more on the bench, I know them well. I suspect the new company understands this. I have two friends with new '18 GGs, solid riders and mechanics, who give the bikes high marks, like the best handling bike they have ridden yet. IMO, the company has to prove itself reliable, but the bike appears awesome.

    When you have a bendix on the bottom of the ignition compartment, with a simple gear train, and there is oil in there, its a far better way to go. There is supposed to be a new GG motor coming soon with new cases that integrate the starter like the Beta. The '18 has some new internals.
     
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    Why are their articles worthless for east coast guys?
     
  13. Dave.Smtih

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    Ever see any trees, associated roots, creek crossings or sticky mud in their photos?
    How many times have I read, "suspension is too soft, we can't moto with it"?
    Other than a rolling, natural terrain track, none of my bikes have seen a motocross track in 30+ years.
     
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    Not sure who your mechanic friends are but they sound like smart guys!!
     
  15. GMP

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    LOL! Smart asses too!
     
  16. GMP

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    As Dave said, plus paid advertising bias.
     
  17. Hurricane

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    Well IMO all bike reviews are worthless because everyone has their own preference on how and what they want from a bike and where it will be used. I like the articles to see if there are any major flaws or issues with a particular bike regardless if it is being tested on the East or West coast. I like the Long Haul articles as well because these guys will be flogging on a bike in many different riding and racing conditions and racking up many more hours in a year than I will ever be able to do, since I have a job wife and kids, to see how reliable these bikes are. I also like to see what new stuff is coming out. To each his own.
     
  18. GMP

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    Not really, just the ones that are done by people who get paid(or don't) for mfg advertising. That to me is a conflict of interest. The GG is still on the heavy side, well, I bet a nice full page add would have made them forget to mention that! Other than that, if your interested in a bike, the best conclusion is drawn from reviews by riders like yourself, who ride the bike in similar conditions, and have skill in technical evaluation.
     
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    As I said to each his own.
     

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